Thanks for the feedback everyone, much appreciated. Thanks, George for the offer of a White Box stove, I’ll take you up on the offer and email you. I don’t think I’ll ever be a true meths convert, but I’ll give it a go as a backup.
I’m extremely grateful to Holdfast (Joe) for pointing out the Jim Wood article. It’s an absolutely fascinating read. It makes me think that I’m actually not over cautious. It’s interesting to know that silnylon is not very waterproof under pressure, which may mean that the silnylon pack liner I’ve bought may not be the best way to go. I may go back to my original Exped XXL roll top for sleeping bag/clothes. Even so, I will do the conversion of the Alpkit Apollo bags into roll tops for non-essential gear. I may keep one Exped bag for hats/gloves though.
Pack covers are quite controversial. I agree with Jerry that 225g is too heavy for a cover, but that was all I had. I didn’t encounter heavy or persistent rain while I was walking, so it wasn’t strictly necessary, but I would have been grateful if the weather had been worse. However, a 76g (69g without the tiny stuff sack) pack cover is much more like it. I reckon it is worth it to keep the rain out of the mesh pockets and the main pack of the Mariposa, although I certainly wouldn’t rely on it completely for waterproofing.
I’m thinking of another Carneddau trip in August for a long weekend. I’ll probably take my Exos as I’ve not really used it yet. If I do, I won’t bother with a pack cover as the material feels quite water resistant and there won’t be much in the mesh pockets. To be honest, May was only the second time I’ve bothered with a pack cover and it was only because of the way the Mariposa is constructed. I think for more conventional packs like the Osprey, it is probably not worth it.
Returning to Jim Wood’s article, paranoia about keeping gear is very justified when you consider the risks of hypothermia, especially travelling solo. My one experience of incipient hypothermia taught me a valuable lesson to be careful. Admittedly it was not through getting my gear soaked; rather it was through not having enough layers.
Anyway thanks for all the feedback. It’s been interesting to read.
That Jim Woods article had me thinking as well. Bought a new summer sleeping bag this morning and a standard Exped dry bag to house it and my camp clothes.
By: holdfast on 15 July 2009
at 7:02 pm
Hi Robin,Your postings on the raincover sent me into a state of panic.I also own an Osprey raincover but was mine really that heavy.Fortunately,it weighed in at 99g(A weight that I can live with) and so I can relax in the thought that I don’t have to spend any more cash for the time being!
By: Trenthamwalker on 15 July 2009
at 8:35 pm
Mine is quite old.
By: blogpackinglight on 15 July 2009
at 8:49 pm
The new Osprey raincovers are much lighter, my small one is 86g. It just about fits my Atmos-50 if the lid is not expanded, and easily fits the Exos-46. The real benifit of the Osprey cover is the way the elastic is brought out to two press studs half way down so it can be fixed around the middle of the pack. This means you can open the top of the pack without the cover flying off. I posted some pictures of this at http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/gallery/images.asp?sp=” &v=1&UAbN=2979 when I was evaluating the Exos, but I only seem able to view them as thumbnails now.
By: John Y on 15 July 2009
at 8:56 pm
Maybe you should re-assure yourself about your rucsack liners ability. Turn it inside out, fill it with water and see what happens. If it doesn’t leak, you have nothing to worry about.
By: jerry on 15 July 2009
at 9:21 pm
Good idea
By: blogpackinglight on 16 July 2009
at 6:04 pm
Hi Robin
I think I mentioned that Jim Woods article to you on our trip to the Carneddau. Don’t rely on the waterproofness of the Osprey pack though, as it certainly is not waterproof.
Forget rucksack covers – complete waste of time with a nylon pack. On my last TGO Challenge (quite wet for quite a few days) I just used Exped small bags for vital kit – sleeping bag & pillow, clothes, food. Everything else doesn’t mind getting wet.
Just shake your pack before taking it inside your tent. I happily take mine inside my Warmlite 2C – no problem with water in the tent that a J-Cloth can’t sort out in the first minute of being inside.
By: alan.sloman on 15 July 2009
at 10:32 pm
Thanks, Alan, I wasn’t going to use the Exos without liner sacks. It doesn’t need the same external protection as the Mariposa. The mesh pockets and thin material on the Mariposa make a rain cover sensible. My experience in the Lakes last summer was that water got into the pack, so for 69g without the small stuff sack, it seems a reasonable accessory to carry.
By: blogpackinglight on 16 July 2009
at 6:03 pm
… and I notice that OMM recommend treating their packs with Grangers Fabsil or Fabsil Gold to improve the water repellency.
By: jerry on 16 July 2009
at 7:54 am